(May 1, 2024, 9:41 pm)Pavelow Let me just chime in here for a bit —
If it’s the platform’s idea to milk as much money as they can from the proverbial cash cow each of the pervs are, then wouldn’t it be in their best interest to make sure these ‘cows’ are satisfied? I would think a perv that got scammed badly once, would likely think twice about ordering more videos from a platform that couldn’t care less about them.

Yes, but that assumes consumers that are thinking rationally. People thinking with their dicks aren't very rational. Look at the video game industry: lots of people openly hate subscriptions, season passes, pay-to-win, DLC everything, pricey AAA titles that are broken months after launch, etc., but game studios keep doing all this shit and make massive profits because the average gamer either has no self-control or is desperate enough for content to put up with the bullshit.

When creators and/or platforms stop making enough money then things will change. I think the recent spate of "I got scammed" posts on this forum proves that we're nowhere close to that point yet.

There's 1 girl on IG that is really hittin things hard: she has like 4-5 accs & 1 of them has a different 1st name & all her vids are with a fake belly. Idk what her OF looks like. Some guys think the belly is real even though in 1 vid she was "99 weeks pregnant". She even did a sneeky twerkin video & a vid of herself showing her V. I'm not spending my money on that risk.

(April 30, 2024, 10:20 pm)McKormick None of those profit ManyVids. Why would they actually give us our money back? That'd be nice but I seriously doubt they'll ever do that. They want us to continue to shop there and we ought to be glad we get a refund. Most sites just tell you "Sorry" and shrug it off.

Most sites like OF have a different business model, (and different legal requirements,) than MV as a result of how they’re set up and what they’re stated business goals are. OF wasn’t originally supposed to be a porn site if you can believe it, but a crowdfunding site that was no different from Kickstarter, Patreon, GoFundMe, IndieGoGo, etc., except that unlike most of those sites, they allowed funding of adult content which is why they became synonymous with it. (They tried to kick the adult content people off a few years back to get more advertisers, but the blowback was so bad that they reversed course when they realized that was their only real revenue stream.) Because OF and the rest of their ilk are crowdfunding sites, they’re under no obligation to return your money if a project doesn’t pan out, including a custom video. However, what they haven’t mastered that other crowdfunding sites have sort of figured out, is how to name and shame bad actors who don’t deliver on fully funded projects. (It’s usually impossible to get your money back on regular crowdfunding sites too, but people who don’t deliver typically don’t get more funding on future projects.) OF needs a way to do that to adult creators who don’t deliver as it’d make it harder for scammers to continue their practices elsewhere.

MV is different, legally they’re a content delivery network (CDN) and store, not a crowdfunding platform. They actually have to issue refunds of some kind (even if it’s just MV credit,) if their performers don’t deliver. Right now, as you’ve correctly pointed out, MV has no incentive to issue refunds outside of MV credit, in part because they’re already taking it on the shins in both directions as they have to claw back the money from performers who don’t deliver, and they have to then basically give away free content to the people they’ve issued MV credit to. It actually would benefit them to not release funds to performers who don’t deliver in the first place, but that would mean taking on the risk of holding funds for those performers until they either deliver or pass their deadline to do so.

Basically sites like MV really need to be carrot and sticked into doing the right thing. This can be done by credit card companies threatening not to work with them, or through other similar means. Credit card companies have a vested interest in MV sales being successful to avoid chargebacks, ditto for crowdfunding sites as they’re on the hook for the chargebacks.

(April 30, 2024, 10:20 pm)McKormick I feel like if they really cared they’d shut the entire studio down. Let some people come forth with allegations and evidence of convos where the model outright lied. I have plenty of convos from Chaturbate and then OF where the model admitted she owed me a video but "had to look for it" only to vanish for years. Let some people come out with stories like that and them shut them down. So what if they ripped a person off on OF? What stops them from doing it on ManyVids? The studio gets shut down. Theyd all change their tune then but that isnt going to happen.

This is great in theory, but the problem is that you really can’t punish people for bad behavior on one site on another platform without potentially stepping in legal issues. (This is like trying to ban a shopper from Kohl’s because they stole from TJ Maxx several years ago—you have to get them doing the same thing in Kohl’s if you want to ban them from there too.) However, there’s nothing stopping someone from creating a custom content scammer database with all of this data about who scammed who and making that available to buyers and creators, which could serve as a deterrent for future scammers.

(May 1, 2024, 7:40 am)MyandGoSeek

(May 1, 2024, 7:24 pm)doubleintegral

(April 30, 2024, 8:21 pm)Preggopee everything you said

These are all great consumer-friendly ideas, but I don't think they'll ever happen because what's good for the consumer isn't always good for the creator or the platform.  These platforms are designed to separate internet pervs from their money, and posts like OP's are proof that it works pretty well.  I don't think MV is very incentivized to make it easier for people to not spend money (removing tips, opening up DMs), and I think we're lucky that they haven't gone whole hog toward OF's business model.

This is why you have to carrot and stick these sites financially. If their payment processor makes it financially undesirable for them to keep letting this stuff happen, they’ll change they’re policies quickly. Regulation is one option, or rather the threat of regulation is, and having payment processors increase fees for bad behavior is another option—both put pressure on sites like MV to push bad actors off their platforms, although platforms like OF are admittedly worse in this regard.

(May 2, 2024, 6:51 pm)doubleintegral

(May 1, 2024, 9:41 pm)Pavelow Let me just chime in here for a bit —
If it’s the platform’s idea to milk as much money as they can from the proverbial cash cow each of the pervs are, then wouldn’t it be in their best interest to make sure these ‘cows’ are satisfied? I would think a perv that got scammed badly once, would likely think twice about ordering more videos from a platform that couldn’t care less about them.

Yes, but that assumes consumers that are thinking rationally.  People thinking with their dicks aren't very rational.  Look at the video game industry: lots of people openly hate subscriptions, season passes, pay-to-win, DLC everything, pricey AAA titles that are broken months after launch, etc., but game studios keep doing all this shit and make massive profits because the average gamer either has no self-control or is desperate enough for content to put up with the bullshit.

When creators and/or platforms stop making enough money then things will change.  I think the recent spate of "I got scammed" posts on this forum proves that we're nowhere close to that point yet.

This is basically the problem—as long as the only option is crap, and people keep tolerating it, we’ll keep getting crap. If people stopped settling for crap, we’d get better material. Video games are actually a good example. Years ago when developers wanted to DRM everything even on disc, people voted with their wallets and a lot of AAA titles wound up being reissued without DRM on disc as a result. If a few creators who were known for scamming were called out in a high profile way and people stopped buying from them, MV and OF and others would take notice.